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Hello and welcome back
to the Traitors Uncloaked,
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the official visualised podcast,
hosted by me, Ed Gamble.
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If you haven't seen Episode 3
then stop here, turn around
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and get onto iPlayer right now
because there will be spoilers.
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Plus I can reveal that
it's a super dramatic episode.
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You are going to love it.
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And it delights me to say that I can
open things up with this sound...
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SIREN WAILS
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Yes, that is the Traitors siren,
and that means a Traitor
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has been caught.
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So what do we have in store
for you tonight?
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I will be joined by super fans
Vogue Williams,
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Jamie Laing and Series 2 player Ash
to take a deep dive
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into Episode 3 of The Traitors.
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We look ahead to Week Two
and what that mysterious
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horse and cart could mean.
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Plus Spanish Traitor Armani
will be joining us to discuss
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her time in the castle.
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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Vogue, Jamie and Ash, welcome.
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Welcome to Traitors Uncloaked.
Hello!
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Now, there's a lot we've got
to get through today.
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A lot to cover.
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We've got growing suspicions
around Kas, Freddie and Linda.
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We've got a tense round table
where bold accusations
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and theories were flying around.
And we've got a crazy mission
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which resulted in
some very frayed tempers.
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What a huge first week of Traitors.
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How have we found it?
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Vogue, how have you found
this first week?
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I loved it. I love that
one of them has been caught.
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But Linda is... She's the funniest
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for me because I don't think
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she really understands
how to play the game!
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So...
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We love Linda. We're going on
a big campaign on Uncloaked. Yeah.
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We want Linda to go the distance
because... 100%.
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...absolutely incredible.
There's some suspicion, but I think
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she might keep scraping through.
You never know. Yeah.
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What about you, Jamie? How have
you enjoyed this first week?
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I've loved it. It's been amazing.
I'm with Vogue. I think Linda
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is hilarious because she...
Honestly, you could say something
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to Linda like... You could say,
like, "Oh, my God, Linda,
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"in real life
I've murdered someone. Have you?"
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Ancl she'd be like,
"Yeah, I have too!"
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She just admits everything,
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and just agrees with everyone.
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She's amazing.
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Ancl Armani, the fact
that the stuff that...
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Armani was a huge character
and the fact that... Yeah.
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...she's kind of, like... You know,
I thought she was going to be there
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till the end, so it's amazing. Yeah.
It's been incredible.
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Big moment for the series.
Big moment in this episode.
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Ash, did it give you any flashbacks
to your early exit as a Traitor?
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Oh, you know what,
I'm not going to lie - I did...
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I did have a little tear in my eye,
yeah. It was quite emotional
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watching her. When everyone's coming
at you around that round table,
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and she was not expecting it,
I don't think. No.
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Yeah, so I really, really
felt for her, you know?
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Let's properly kick things off with
where we left that episode.
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The three Faithfuls
that they're looking to murder
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are Freddie, Maia and Charlotte.
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Who do you think they might go for?
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I think, by the reaction at the end
of that, I'm thinking
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they might get Maia,
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just because
no-one will expect that
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because obviously everyone should
now think that Maia is faithful.
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So maybe... But then Maia
would be so good to recruit!
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So it'd be a bad move
to get rid of her.
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But also really unexpected.
That's a really good point.
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That would be a hugely unexpected
thing to do,
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to recruit the other sister.
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But also, I do like the idea
of an entire family being wiped out
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in one episode. Yeah!
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What about you, Jamie?
Who do you think...?
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I'm the same as Vogue.
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I think that Maia
would be the obvious one,
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because it's, like, sisters
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Yeah, "Bye! Yeah, we got you!"
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But I think they're going
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That's what's going to happen.
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I think Freddie's going to go.
Do you think?
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Oh, poor Freddie! Yeah. Yeah.
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Sweet Freddie.
That shower scene as well...
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I know. Wow! Hot stuff, yeah.
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Sweet, gorgeous Freddie!
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I think he's got as much
out of this show
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as he's going to get out of it
with that shower scene.
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Cos does anyone... I've never
showered by, like...
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I've never lathered
with both hands like...
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Ash, who do you think,
from a Traitor's perspective,
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would be the best person to murder?
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I think Charlotte, because...
Out of those three,
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because I think Freddie
has got a bit of heat on him.
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So I think they could really use him
as a patsy on the round table. Mm.
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I think Maia would be really good
as a recruit,
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and then throw her under the table
kind of thing. Yeah.
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Or under the bus!
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If you throw her under the table,
that's going to do nothing.
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She'll just come out
the other side and go,
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"|'m still here. Why'd you do that?"
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Yeah!
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So I think Charlotte, you know.
I do, out of those three, for sure.
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I do want to know, though,
because we've got
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a Traitor in the room here.
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What are your primary motives
when you are murdering someone?
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Is it to take the heat off yourself?
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Is it to cause a bit of chaos?
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Is it to remove threats?
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What do you mainly look at?
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Well, first of all,
you look at threats. Yeah.
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You look at... I mean,
you may not have the heat on you
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at that time, but you do look
at threats first, and then
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sometimes you do do it
just to throw people off,
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and it makes people think, "Why?
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"Why would you... Why would you
kill this person?"
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Now, we did have our first
Traitor capture.
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It's huge. It's quite early as well.
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Yeah. Very, very exciting.
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Armani did seem very surprised
that the tables had been turned.
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Yeah. Do we think she should have
been surprised?
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Do you think she was maybe doing
a bit too much, Vogue?
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I think she was surprised because
I think that she kind of had
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everyone wrapped around
her little finger.
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Like, people were scared of
suggesting her, which is unusual.
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Ancl I don't think that
she was expecting that at all.
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She had a game plan.
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She thought she was doing it
perfectly, and I kind of...
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I loved that it happened to her
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because you know when
someone's so sure about it
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and it's like, "No, no, no, no, no.
Hang on a second"? Yeah.
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I loved watching her
go under the bus.
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Well, she'll be in in a bit so
you can... I'll tell her in a bit!
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...say that to her face, yeah.
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Ash, the things that were level led
against Armani - doing too much,
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speaking to too many people,
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going around to different groups
and talking.
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I feel like those are accusations
that were also level led
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at you when you were kicked out.
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So do you think she made
the same mistakes as you did?
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'N.
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Yes and no, but I think
the difference between us was
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that she was very vocal
around that round table. Mm-hm.
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Whereas I was the opposite,
you know,
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because I couldn't get
a word in edgeways.
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that extra level of confidence,
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she was just adamant
that everybody loved her,
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which they did. But actually
part of what we already saw -
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that people were afraid of her.
ALL: Yeah.
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They were afraid
to bring her name up.
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So I think because she...
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I think she was just a bit too extra
around the round table.
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I'm like, "Babe, bring it back
a little bit," you know?
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Rein it in a bit, yeah. Yeah.
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Right at the end of the episode,
though, we got a teaser
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for the next episode, which was
of course a horse-drawn carriage
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with a rail replacement sign
on the side
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driven by two hooded figures
in gold masks.
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Very spooky.
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I want to hear your theories.
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What's going...
What's going on there?
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The train people are coming back.
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The train people are coming back!
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I mean, it would've been absolutely
vicious to throw them out
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before they even got there.
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Imagine. Like, you were saying,
"I've just told all my friends
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"and family I'm going off to do
a TV show"... Yeah.
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...and you come back two hours later
and you're like, "Hello."
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"Oops. Sorry!"
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"I'll be gone for three weeks."
Yeah. "Where's all your stuff?"
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"I left it on the train."
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Now, before we get on to the drama
at the round table, I think
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we need to talk about the mission,
because it was a crazy one.
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We've even... We've got the oars
behind us here.
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Let's have a look at those.
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Let's remind ourselves of the moment
where our Traitors Linda and Minah
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get into a bit of a to-do
on the boat...
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Ancl pull! In front,
you're out of rhythm.
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Ancl pull!
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She's... They're out of rhythm.
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What? You're out of rhythm.
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But when you're saying, "And pull",
that's when we're pulling, to me.
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No, no, no... No, you're not.
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Guys, don't stop rowing!
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Go!
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It's just not that damn deep.
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Ancl pull!
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I am getting off this boat.
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And pull! Cos, like,
I feel like we're pulling
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when everyone's saying "Pull,"
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but apparently we're not.
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Very good.
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Absolutely amazing.
That is unbearable.
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I would hate to be on that boat.
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Vogue, do you think that seemed
like a strong sisterhood?
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It was very... No, it was not
a strong sisterhood.
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It reminded me... Do you remember
the boat in Series Two
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when they just kept going around
in a circle... Yeah.
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...because no-one knew how to row.
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In fairness, I don't know how to
row, but I reckon I'd do
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a better job than that.
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Well, Freddie said... Of course,
he went, "I don't know how to row.
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"|'m not that posh." So, Jamie,
can you tell us a bit about rowing?
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Yeah.
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It depends if you want an eight
or a scull or you're just looking
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for just a quick rowing boat.
I can give you all of them, yeah.
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Yeah. Obviously I know. OK!
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Yeah, it was all over the place,
that mission.
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But what I really liked about it is
there's the whole thing of
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the Traitors don't want people
to be safe from murder,
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so they're trying to make
the Faithfuls get off the boat,
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and they need to stay on the boat
to take the shields away.
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But Minah ended up getting off
because the other Traitor
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was doing her head in.
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In that particular moment, though,
I think Minah secured her place
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as a Faithful. Yeah. I think so.
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But that was, like, the by-product
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of her just being really
pissed off with Linda.
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But she's the perfect level of,
like, she's not too full-on,
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she's kind of getting on with
everybody and she's not
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in anyone's face at the same time
and kind of saying just enough.
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She's got that level perfect. Mm.
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If I was Minah now,
I would vote off Linda.
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Like, I would... She probably will!
I would just go -
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I would just double down.
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I would double down hard on it
and, like, start going for Linda.
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I think Linda has still got
suspicion on her... Yeah.
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...from the time she turned around
when Claudia said "Traitors".
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So I think there's still people
sniffing around Linda, and I think
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you just get in the wake of that
and you can get rid of Linda,
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and then... I would just
get rid of Linda. Yeah.
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Then you're plain sailing.
There's just no way
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they're ever going to think...
That it's Minah, yeah.
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So let's revisit the odd interaction
between Freddie and Maia
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on one of the pontoons.
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We get on to that raft, yeah?
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First thing he says to me is,
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"Well, I hope they don't get it."
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He's not moving like normal today.
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He's moving panicky today.
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Now I think Freddie's a Traitor.
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Oh! It was a weird thing to say.
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I know, but he was really annoyed
with them. Yeah, I understood it.
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I'd be like, "Do you know what?
You made me get off."
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But when you know that there's all
those suspicions floating around,
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it's a weird thing to say. Mm.
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And, as he said it, he panicked.
Yeah.
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He was like, "Oh, why have I
said this now?" Yeah.
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"I should try and withdraw that."
I think it was just a rage.
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Do we think it's going to end badly
for Freddie?
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Do we do we think that
that might seal his fate?
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He has put himself in the hot seat
for that. Yeah.
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But, you know, that's the thing.
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When you get to that Round Table
anything can happen.
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You can have somebody's name
in your mouth,
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and then ten minutes later
that can change.
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OK. We simply must talk about
tonight's Round Table,
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and particularly how Kas
came under a lot of scrutiny.
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Let's revisit that moment.
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No, no, let me finish. Something's
been going on... Let me finish, Joe.
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Joe, let me finish. The last thing
I'm going to say is if the fact that
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you're voting for me is because
I'm a nice person or, because
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I'm a doctor, "|t makes sense."
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The fact that I have a job
is not a reason to vote for me.
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I didn't say that. No, that is
what... Literally, you just said,
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"The doctor thing makes sense.
You save lives during the clay."
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No! "You kill people at night."
So you're basically calling me,
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like, Harold Shipman or something?
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No... Whoa, that's a bit loaded,
mate! I'm not saying that.
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It's a horrible, horrible thing to
say, that the reason... That's not
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what I was... that the reason
you think I'm a Traitor...
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I wasn't saying it like that.
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This does feel like the Faithfuls
are grasping at straws slightly,
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for me, that they're picking Kas out
as a potential Traitor
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because he is a doctor
and he's nice, and that,
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"Oh, a Traitor who's a doctor.
That'd be an amazing thing."
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It'd be perfect, yeah.
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It's... Yeah, it's a bit ridiculous.
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He hasn't clone one single thing.
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I actually feel really sorry
for him.
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He's just nice, and that seems
to be the problem. Yeah.
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There was the toast. Yeah.
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In the last episode, where
he stood up and made a toast
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in front of everyone at breakfast,
which was a little bit suspect,
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I think. I thought that was
a really lovely thing!
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Well, it was completely revolting
to everyone, obviously!
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LAUGHTER
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Everyone was horrified
by that nice deed!
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You could see in his face when
he stood up to make the toast,
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he was like, "Oh, my God,
why am I doing this?"
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LAUGHTER
Yeah!
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Ancl he should have just gone...
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..."Nyyyeeow! "
LAUGHTER
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Pretended he was completely mad!
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Yeah, and that would have been fine
because no-one's going to go,
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"We've got to get rid of Kas
cos he pretended
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"his orange juice was a plane."
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Oh, God!
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Now, Linda also drawing a lot
of heat. I know, we talk about Linda
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so much on the show. Ah, we love
Linda, really. We love Linda!
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She's an icon. We love her.
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Jake is onto her.
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Ash, what do you think Linda
could possibly do to alleviate
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some of this pressure?
Or is it too late for her?
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This is what I think.
This is what should happen.
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They recruit a person.
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Linda comes in with Jake,
convinces him of who the Traitor is.
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Then she'd be known as
the Traitor-hunter. Mm-hm.
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Throws that person under the bus.
You win Jake.
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Now we've fully dissected that
episode, I think it's time to
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address this series' first
Traitor banishment.
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Let's revisit the moment that Armani
revealed her true identity.
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Genuinely, I have had THE best time.
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I would not have chosen
to be any different
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because this genuinely
is just who I am.
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I am genuinely so grateful
for the time
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and you guys are all amazing.
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I love you all and I hope
we can all chill after this.
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I am...
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...a Traitor.
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WILD CHEERING
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And she's here with us now.
Welcome, Armani!
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THEY CHEER
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Thank you!
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Armani, thank you so much
for joining us on Uncloaked.
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Thank you for having me.
331
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Could you take us through that
moment, that moment where you had to
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reveal to everyone in there
that you were a Traitor?
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What was going through your head
at that moment?
334
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I was thinking, "For God's sake,
they've got me. Cor, blimey!
335
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"Like, oh, here we are!"
336
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But in all honesty,
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the whole thought process I had
the whole time
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of this experience was,
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"|'m here to play a game
and have a really good time,"
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and although it was the end,
I was just like,
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"Oh, that was really just so great."
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Like, I thought everyone
was just so lovely.
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I felt a bit sad for my sister -
I can't lie - because
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she was really struggling.
I was thinking, "Girl, relax.
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"|t's all right, man.
Like, you know, you can suspect me.
346
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"|t's the game!"
347
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Well, it's kind of an amazing moment
when you reveal you're a Traitor.
348
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The look on Maia's face,
there's so many emotions happening
349
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all at once because she's upset
to see you go.
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She's upset that you were a Traitor.
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She's upset that she said
you were a Traitor,
352
00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:10,095
but is also happy
that she's found a Traitor. Yeah.
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So she's, like, doing all sorts
of things. There's, like, about
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10 million emotions at once.
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I was like, for me, maybe
it's just because of my nature,
356
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but I was kind of happy that
they found a Traitor too.
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I was like, "Oh, my God, yeah, guys,
you found one!"
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LAUGHTER
I was like, "But wait. It's me.
359
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"Erm, maybe not." Yeah.
360
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But it was really just...
It was just nice. I was like,
361
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"OK, that's the end of my
experience, but it was fun."
362
00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,575
My favourite thing was
when you tried to give
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the other Traitors notes. Yeah.
Unbelievable.
364
00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,895
"|'m just saying that you guys
are just not doing enough."
365
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Because they weren't.
366
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I stick to what I said.
It was amazing!
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I stick to what I said.
368
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How did you feel looking back
when you give that feedback
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to the other Traitors? I...
And then it cuts to Minah going,
370
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"|'m not taking that feedback."
I was like, "You witch.
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"How dare you? OK?"
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No, but, to be fair,
I was like, "Respect."
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Everyone's got their game play.
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Like, for me, it was genuine...
Not even advice.
375
00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,455
I was saying, "You lot keep on
being silent here
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"and I'm talking, talking, talking.
377
00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,095
"I know that's going to draw some
attention to me at some point."
378
00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:03,975
Did you not think about,
around the Round Table...?
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Because you were very, very vocal.
380
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Yes. Did you not think,
for a minute, "Maybe...
381
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"OK, maybe I need to just tone
this down, just a little bit?"
382
00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:15,055
Erm, if I'm honest with you...
LAUGHTER
383
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No.
LAUGHTER
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If I'm honest with you,
I had a complete game plan
385
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coming into this.
386
00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,775
Ancl I'll tell you what the game plan
was. Please! Can't wait.
387
00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:26,055
Erm...
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Cos you're going to laugh,
because I was like,
389
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"I know how this game goes.
390
00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:32,295
"I know what the sensible way
of doing this is.
391
00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,855
"|'m going to be silent,
and I'm going to go behind
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"and sit back and listen to what
everyone else has got to say..."
393
00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,415
STIFLED LAUGHTER
"And as they're talking, I'm going
394
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"to just slowly put in
my opinion here or there."
395
00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,935
Ancl then the problem was,
was that, as I stepped foot into
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that castle and I saw everyone
around me just,
397
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"YaP'YaP'YaPI YaP'YaP"'
just came out
398
00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,295
and my natural personality couldn't
help myself. I was going to say...
399
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I knew I was talking too much,
but I couldn't help myself.
400
00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,295
Armani, that didn't start in the
castle. It started on the train.
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LAUGHTER
402
00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,375
But I love that. You know,
you didn't have to call me out
403
00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:04,975
like that! That's why people...
404
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,495
You are destined to be yourself
in the castle no matter what, right?
405
00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:09,855
You're thinking, "|'m going to be
really quiet." And then you got in.
406
00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:12,295
That would have been more suspicious
to your sister if you got in there
407
00:16:12,320 --> 00:16:14,655
and you were really quiet. You know
what it is? I don't even know,
408
00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:16,855
because we'd been talking before
about what are we going to do?
409
00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:18,775
Like, how are we going to be
as sisters?
410
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Cos we've come in, revealed
that we're sisters from the get-go.
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00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,615
Ancl whether or not that was a smart
choice, looking back on it, unsure,
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but we knew it was going
to have a target on our backs.
413
00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,375
So we were like, "OK,
we're going to try and come in,
414
00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:30,895
"you're going to take one side
of the room,
415
00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,175
"|'m going to take the other side,
we're going to come back
416
00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,055
"and give back feedback." The
problem was, was that she ended up
417
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going into anxiety mode, and so
her mind was gone on that side.
418
00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,895
Ancl then I was just literally
having the best time of my life.
419
00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:43,895
Like, "This is so much fun!"
420
00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,135
Ancl forgetting to,
you know, play strategically
421
00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,455
rather than just enjoy. And so...
Yeah... Do you think that was
422
00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,695
a good strategy, revealing that you
were sisters straight away? No.
423
00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,415
If I could go back, oh, my God, I'd
be like, "Shut up, just forget it."
424
00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:01,615
Yeah. Don't bother. Cos the reason
why we did is cos we're so similar.
425
00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:05,015
Like, we talk similarly, we look
similar, like, our mannerisms.
426
00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:07,975
I was laughing
when I saw us both crying
427
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:09,855
when she walks through the door.
428
00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:12,015
Which, ten out of ten performance
by me. Yeah.
429
00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:16,295
Um...but when she... When she was
crying, I was looking at her like,
430
00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:17,615
"Bloody hell, we even cry the same."
431
00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:19,975
Like, we're not going to really get
away with it for long. One of you
432
00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,175
could have pretended to be Welsh.
433
00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:26,095
I think you might have been slightly
surprised that they had found you.
434
00:17:26,120 --> 00:17:28,575
And the only reason I think that
is this.
435
00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,575
Well, let's remind ourselves
how you were feeling
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at the start of tonight's episode.
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I'm having the best time
being a Traitor.
438
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I don't want to be too cocky,
439
00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,775
but I am pretty happy
with the way I'm playing.
440
00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,055
Morning. Morning.
441
00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,935
To be fair, I think I'm pretty safe.
I am pretty popular.
442
00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,375
I'm pretty well-liked.
443
00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,375
I think I'm going to continue to be
playing it the way I am.
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LAUGHTER
445
00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:54,415
So were you surprised
when you were banished?
446
00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,375
It was such a witch hunt
out of nowhere. I was like,
447
00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,735
"Um, hold on a minute.
I thought we were all cool.
448
00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,695
"I thought we were
on the Armani train.
449
00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:06,335
"What is going on right now?"
Because, to be honest with you,
450
00:18:06,360 --> 00:18:09,775
even as I saw myself throughout
the episode, I was like,
451
00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,655
I'm still thinking,
"How did we get here?
452
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,175
"I thought Kas
had more on him than me."
453
00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,535
I was like... But, you know,
I guess that's just how it is.
454
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,055
But I think a lot of the chats
were going on behind closed doors.
455
00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,495
Yeah. There was, you know,
a fair few people suspecting you.
456
00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:27,215
Yeah. And you said there, like,
you were popular and well-liked.
457
00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,535
Yeah. That's true.
But that can be true
458
00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,695
and people can suspect you. Yeah.
459
00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:36,535
The problem is, is that I think
even if I was a Faithful,
460
00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,855
it would have just been
the circumstances that they are.
461
00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,735
I just can't shut my mouth,
like, it's just one of those things,
462
00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,895
I'm a chatty girl. So would you
have acted the exact same
463
00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,735
if you were a Faithful?
I think I would have been out
464
00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,095
the exact same time,
in the exact same way,
465
00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:52,695
for the exact same reasons,
466
00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,815
because I just played as myself.
467
00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,935
I wasn't even really thinking
so much about, you know,
468
00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,015
Traitor/Faithful. It's just like,
"I want to have fun.
469
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,295
"I want to play the game." As I was
saying, I was having a great time!
470
00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,815
I was enjoying myself. But you say
you would act the same
471
00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,975
if you were Faithful,
but your sister saw something
472
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,215
in your behaviour that made her
think that you were a Traitor.
473
00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:11,175
So what was that?
You know what it is?
474
00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:14,255
I honestly believe
that even if I was a Faithful,
475
00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:15,775
she would have thought
the same thing. Like,
476
00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,095
she's very suspicious all the time.
477
00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:22,255
But I think because she was
so on edge all the time,
478
00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,775
while I was just there
skipping through the daisy fields,
479
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,735
like, she was just like,
"You're doing something here
480
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,575
"that's different."
I'm like, "No, it wasn't."
481
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,655
When your sister turned on you
and said, "60%,"
482
00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,735
did you feel a little bit, like,
hurt? I was betrayed, OK?
483
00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,815
I felt completely...
I was like,
484
00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,175
"Girl, I know that we are
in a game right now and I know
485
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,655
"that we're on different sides,
but like, damn."
486
00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,055
I think that she was the final nail
in your coffin.
487
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,855
I think if she hadn't said anything,
I don't think you would have gone.
488
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:50,495
110%. I talk about this with her.
489
00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,535
I'm like, "You, witch. If you kept
your mouth shut, Kas would have got
490
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,335
"all the votes and I could have
squeezed my way out,
491
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:58,615
"one way or another." But she...
I just know what she's like
492
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:02,535
and why I say that she probably
was more suited to the Traitor role.
493
00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,295
She's a conniving girl. She is.
494
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,815
Ancl for her, she saw herself
going down. So she was like,
495
00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,335
"No, I10, I10, n0, let me go..."
496
00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,375
She was being a good Faithful
in that moment. Yeah. Screw that.
497
00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,135
She was willing...
She was willing to accept that
498
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,855
you possibly could have been
a Traitor, which must have been
499
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,215
quite difficult, I think.
Um, you know what it is?
500
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,535
As time was going on, I kind of knew
pretty quickly that I was not
501
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,415
going to be able to murder
my sister. Like, I knew that.
502
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,015
I just... I just wouldn't be able
to do it. So I'm thinking
503
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,335
of all the kind of ways around it.
She's got to get, like,
504
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:34,255
banished first. She's got to, like,
whatever, I'll find a way, that way.
505
00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,975
But she obviously felt
more than fine doing the reverse...
506
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,535
There was a sense that
you didn't think you were playing
507
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:43,975
against your sister, you were
actually playing the game with her
508
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,215
even though you were a Traitor.
Yeah. Like, I think maybe
509
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,775
it's the big sister in me. Like,
I can't help but want to protect her
510
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:52,215
in some way or form.
511
00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:56,815
So it probably wasn't the best
for game play. Like, realistic,
512
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,415
I should have murdered her the first
night... Exactly what I said,
513
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:02,655
I think murder her first night,
that would have been... Boom. Yeah.
514
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,135
Did you did you think you were
going to win it all the way?
515
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,495
Oh, my God, I thought I would
at least get to the bloody final.
516
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,415
Yeah. I can feel that on you.
517
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:14,175
And I've never seen emotion
go from, like, such confidence
518
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:17,415
to something so confused.
"Sorry, what?
519
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,935
"I was meant to be winning this."
Every time you said anything,
520
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,815
you were thinking days in advance.
So you were going,
521
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,015
"Well, I'm fine for at least,
you know, five more Round Tables.
522
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,735
Yeah. You're like, no, you've got to
be thinking about this one.
523
00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:33,575
I know, I was so far up
my own arse that I literally...
524
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,255
I literally thought
that there was just no chance
525
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,375
I'd be gone in that time frame.
526
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,735
Like, there was just not even
an inkling in my mind. I was like,
527
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,095
"These girls got my back.
528
00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:46,455
"They said they're going to have
my back, so don't worry about that."
529
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:49,015
I was thinking about when Minah was
having a conversation with Leanne,
530
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,135
I'm thinking, "You could have
diverted from me there, girl.
531
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:52,375
"You could have diverted from me."
532
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,775
What did you think when Minah
voted for you? I thought,
533
00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:59,415
"You cheeky little girl, you."
Did you see it coming, though?
534
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,815
I knew that we were going to have to
betray each other at some point.
535
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,175
Obviously. But after this
sisterhood, sisterhood, sisterhood,
536
00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,215
you ain't got no sister, turns
around and tells me, uh, what,
537
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,655
like..."Armani."
I was thinking, "Wait a minute.
538
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,495
"Hold on, hold on.
539
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:16,055
"I thought that we were having
each other's backs here."
540
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,535
Also, your acting is sublime
cos there's that one bit
541
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,655
when you have to do the challenge
and the question was like, "Oh, God,
542
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:24,655
"how many paintings are up the
wall?" And you were like, "Three."
543
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,095
"I think it's one." You're like,
"No, I think it's...
544
00:22:27,120 --> 00:22:29,735
"|'m pretty sure it's three,
actually," trying to divert it away.
545
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,175
Well, this is a really good point...
So good. ..because the missions
546
00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:35,295
seem a lot harder for Traitors
this time around.
547
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,375
Because you're having to keep
everything in your head. Yeah.
548
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:42,615
Like, even with that, for example,
it's not like I knew the answer,
549
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,735
to be fair, but I knew that Kas
would know the answer.
550
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:48,575
So I was like, "|f you're saying
it's four, it's defo four.
551
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,815
"So let me try and figure out
how to divert that away from that."
552
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,175
I was like, "Three ain't far off.
Sounds about right.
553
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:55,655
"I can kind of, like...
554
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:58,335
"I can kind of, like, paint it out
in one way or another."
555
00:22:58,360 --> 00:22:59,775
Like, not too difficult.
556
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,335
But the problem is, is that when you
got Mr Smarty Pants on your team,
557
00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:07,015
everyone's also thinking,
"Yeah, he must be right." Yeah.
558
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,295
But it was you throwing in three
and being like,
559
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,095
"I think it might be three,
actually." And when everyone...
560
00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:14,695
And Kas went, "What does everyone
else think?" They all went, "Four."
561
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,295
Yeah. You seemed genuinely gutted
562
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,335
when they all got immunity
from murder
563
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,815
that you weren't going to be able
to murder someone.
564
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,895
You enjoyed the killing part of it?
100%. Like, this is the game.
565
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,095
Like, we're the Traitors
and I'm a Traitor.
566
00:23:28,120 --> 00:23:29,615
Who would you have gone for next
567
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,535
if you could have chosen someone
to murder that night?
568
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,855
Great question. Ooh! OK, OK, OK,
let me think. Look at you,
569
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,575
as soon as you think about murder
you're shimmying around.
570
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,495
It's such a good game. To fair,
I probably would've killed Tyler.
571
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,175
Oh. Yeah, dominant. Yeah.
Too dominant, too excited.
572
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,055
Looking for the Traitors. Too nice.
573
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,935
No-one's banishing him.
Yeah. But also as well,
574
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,215
cos when I was with him
on that activity, I was, like,
575
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,055
I was seeing another part of his
personality, which was, like,
576
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:57,455
he was truly offended by the acts
of the Traitors. I'm thinking,
577
00:23:57,480 --> 00:23:59,735
"Are you sure you came to the show
with the right mindset here?"
578
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,615
But it's all right, I get it,
like, you know?
579
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,015
But I was just like,
"No, you've got to go next."
580
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,615
Ancl after, funnily enough,
after my Round Table,
581
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,615
if I'd survived, I would have
removed Jake for sure. Oh. For sure.
582
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,255
Oh. So you...? Yeah.
583
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,775
Cos then I would have had Linda
getting a little bit set up,
584
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,175
and then I would have just been
like, "He's a strong...
585
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:19,935
"Another strong personality."
586
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,535
What I wanted to ask you was that
you're saying that people
587
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,655
were sort of looking at Kas,
and you were hoping that people
588
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,455
would go for Kas
at that Round Table,
589
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,695
but you were defending Kas
to the hilt. Don't tell me again.
590
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,055
You were saying, "Kas is 100% a
Faithful, he's definitely Faithful."
591
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,575
Yeah. As a Traitor,
should you really be throwing...
592
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,735
No, I'm a plum,
um, to be honest with you.
593
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,535
Um, realistically speaking,
I think my problem is,
594
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,415
is that I think my values
and who I am as a person
595
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,695
aligns with Faithful,
straight through and through.
596
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,015
I found the murdering easy cos it
was just a part of the game.
597
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,535
For me it was just a game,
so nothing too difficult.
598
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,375
But as I'm seeing things in person
as they're happening,
599
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,695
the kind of, like,
I-want-to-defend-people part of me
600
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,455
starts coming out,
so it's like people are going,
601
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:00,935
"Oh, no, it's Kas cos he clone this,"
602
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,295
and even at the thing when he's clone
the whole toast, I'm thinking,
603
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,695
"Why would you do that?
That's a very stupid move, come on."
604
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,695
I'm, like, I'm telling him like,
"You shouldn't do that."
605
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,295
Ancl then he's suspecting me cos
I'm talking to him, but whatever.
606
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,815
But, like... But I can't...
607
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,015
I think subconsciously I couldn't
help but want to defend him
608
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,255
because I knew people were gunning
for him. Yeah. And it's like,
609
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,375
I'm going for Charlotte,
Charlotte, Charlotte.
610
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,255
It's like everyone around me
has already said,
611
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,415
"Oh, yeah, no, I know it's not
Charlotte," blah, blah blah.
612
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,775
So it's like I'm going for her cos I
know nobody's going to vote for her
613
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,215
really. It's the little
subconscious niggles.
614
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,615
Even with Elen, I could have really,
like, stomped my foot down in that,
615
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,175
like, "Yeah, 100%, like, how could
she say...?" Blah, blah, blah.
616
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,735
But I couldn't help myself.
It wasn't in my nature to do...
617
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,095
So you don't have that true killer
instinct you need as a Traitor.
618
00:25:42,120 --> 00:25:45,055
Yeah, I feel like the deceit
was what I was lacking.
619
00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,535
Mm. It's a weird one, like,
dragging people under when you...
620
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:53,015
Especially when you know
that they're not a Traitor.
621
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,855
Because you are. Yeah.
Cos if I was a Faithful,
622
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,895
I think it'd be a lot easier.
When you're not used to being
623
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,575
a deceitful person... Yeah.
..It's hard to kind of, uh,
624
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,855
get your mind to work that way
in a way, do you know?
625
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,175
You, no, 100%. I also think it's
a really good actual plan to, like,
626
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,775
say, when you're a Traitor,
to say someone's 100% a Faithful,
627
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,495
cos then if they get voted off,
628
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,815
cos if Kas got voted off,
people would be like,
629
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,335
"Well, it can't be you,
because you were saying..."
630
00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:21,975
Fair point. ..actually, weirdly,
it's kind of a good tactic.
631
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,415
Well, I didn't get to live
to see the tale on that.
632
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,855
Linda seemed to suggest
that now you've gone,
633
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,415
the Traitors are stronger
because of that. How dare they?
634
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,375
How do you feel about that? Do you
think that's true? Absolutely not.
635
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,535
So sorry. But, listen,
636
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,255
maybe my game play wasn't as tight
as it should have been.
637
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,975
Fine, I'll accept that.
But I was running that damn Turret.
638
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,215
Like, as I said, every single
639
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,495
session of murder...
I think they were...
640
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,215
They were going to turn on you
at one point,
641
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,455
particularly after the notes.
The notes, the notes, like,
642
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,255
threw you under the bus
with the Traitors and then just...
643
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,335
You were...
Yeah, I was in my own world,
644
00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:57,695
I was in my own like,
645
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,095
"Yeah, I'm leading this
and it's going so great."
646
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,255
There was definitely moments
I was like,
647
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,695
"Armani, you need to roll that
back in a bit, darling."
648
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,735
Do you know what I mean?
649
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,695
Now that you've gone, how do
you think the remaining two Traitors
650
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,975
are going to perform?
Um, the thing is,
651
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,695
is I think Minah
has just got it in her.
652
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,135
Like, there's nothing stopping her.
653
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,375
Like, realistically speaking,
I wouldn't be shocked
654
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,615
to the slightest if she made it
all the way through to the end.
655
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,735
Yeah. Linda, I think, is truly just
based on whatever destiny's got
656
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:32,375
in the stars for her.
Um, because realistically speaking,
657
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,975
either she'll just get clocked
byjake and then off she goes. Yeah.
658
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,695
Or she'll somehow just
keep on escaping every...
659
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,495
Cos I think she's the most
obvious Traitor there is.
660
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,575
Like, if I was a Faithful,
watching her,
661
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,495
she just does some of the most
bizarre moves of all time.
662
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,055
I'd be thinking,
"No, it's defo you."
663
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,695
But no-one's obviously picking up
on it. So I'm just, again,
664
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,375
over confident. There's nothing
I want more than for Linda
665
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,855
to fail her way all the way to
the final. I will... No, literally,
666
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,175
which is why I'm like, "You know
what? You just better win it, girl."
667
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,095
Like... It'd so good if she won.
668
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:05,095
That's all we've got time for.
669
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:07,615
But fret not,
the chat continues on BBC Sounds,
670
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,215
where Armani will reveal
more salacious secrets
671
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,855
from her time in the Turret.
672
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:13,855
It's all in the bonus episode
of Uncloaked
673
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:15,815
in your BBC Sounds app right now.
674
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:18,375
Either scan the QR code
or search for Uncloaked in the app
675
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,015
and you'll be able to find us.
676
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,615
And if you think you've got
what it takes to be a Traitor
677
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,695
next series - not doing too little,
but not doing too much -
678
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,215
then head to...
679
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,535
A huge thank you to Vogue,
Jamie, Ash and Armani.
680
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,615
CHEERING
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We'll be back again next Wednesday
after episode four
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to dissect all the treacherous
titbits from the Traitors' castle.
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I'm Ed Gamble. Stay faithful.
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APPLAUSE